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>> they left everyone with a nice message. >> travel in peace. >> leave it to the master, that is the sound of the real chubaka. for laughs, let's here isha again. sad. got to work on your wookie, isha that does it for us. we'll see you one hour from now at 10:30 eastern. at 10:30 eastern. "piers morgan live" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- this is "piers morgan live." wildfires in colorado forced thousands to run for their lives. punishing storms threatened chicago plus a firefighter became an internet sensation when he made this rescue.
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and a 10-year-old girl fighting for her life gets a lung transplant. she's out of surgery tonight and her family says her doctors are pleased with her progress tonight. we'll bring you more news as it happens. you met the hero that tried to stop the santa monica rampage killer herself shot again and again. >> eight bullets entered the car, right away two hit me on the left side, three more hit me on the right side. >> tonight, we'll reunite her with a neighbor that came to her rescue. she laid bleeding in her car. exclusive video, the mother of a cleveland kidnapping victim saying something you would never expect about ariel castro, plus the woman who tracked down her father's alleged killer after 26 years and did it online. and the battle of government surveillance, can this save you from terror attacks? >> it's dozens of terrorist
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events that these have helped prevent. >> jeff tuben and ben ferguson battle it out on the ground. we start with breaking weather news. i'll bring in chad myers. chad, a lot going on in the world of weather tonight. >> yes. >> tell me, first of all, about this derecho. what is it and how threatening will it be in the next 24 hours? >> is a long h-term event that s to get it's act together. it's a squall line like a bulldozer that pushes air ahead of it. last year we had this one after the other in ohio west virginia and d.c. with significant wind damage. we don't have that setting up just yet. i know we talked a lot about the potential today but the forecast to derecho is harder than forecasting where a tornado will touchdown. the big story, tonight, piers is it's still going. it's still possible. i just still don't see that line going yet, a couple lines this
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way but this line needs to do this and move to the east and become the big push. for tonight, this weather is dark. you'll go to sleep. this is a null weather radio. you need to get one. this is simple. this is 30 bucks. listen, this sound right here. that could wake you up at night. that could save your life if you are asleep and there is a tornado warning or a severe thunderstorm warning or flash flood warning for your county. now in the past, these things went off all night long for every county. they don't do that anymore. they only go off for the county that you tell it to do, you tell it to go off. you tell it your county. it won't go off all night long. south of chicago, fort wayne, a funnel cloud headed to the west and seeing rotation. there is a lot of weather here. it's the derecho we were worried about. don't go to bed without turning on the tv and looking on the radar on the internet.
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it could save your life tonight. there could be severe weather. it's calming down as it usually does during the afternoon hours this is what didn't calm down today, this smoke. this is the fire, five fires new no colorado. they have burning acres and acres, thousands of acres in some spots well over 100 homes completely lost to the fires. the air is dry, trees are dry, many of the trees are dead. colora colorado pine beetle killed many of the trees. it hasn't rained in a couple years almost -- i know it has -- but what it needs to. that drought is part of the problem. >> thank you for that all encompassing report. i want to bring in the firefighter that became an internet hero when he rescued from the colorado fire. ted robertson lost his home in that fire. colby, all of america was touched and charmed by the images of you bringing out this
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tiny little baby deer in your hands. what was going through your mind when you found it? >> i'm sorry, could you repeat the question? >> i'm just saying what was going through your mind when you found this little baby deer? >> what was going through my mind? you want to interview me? i'm sorry i'm having a hard time hearing you. >> let me speak. obviously, a bit of a problem with the line there. what was going through your mind when you found the baby deer? >> oh, when i found the baby deer? we were setting up a defensive tactic on a structure. we had a type one engine and a type six engine. we were just kind of going through the paces, going through what we were trained to do. we saw the deer wrapped up in a wire for a fence, and captain roy dolton was able to untake l it and get it out of there, and we had a short opportunity to get it to somewhere safe, and we took that opportunity, and that is when i got caught on camera walking a baby deer to a
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sheriff. >> have you had the same reaction that i've been seeing in my office here in new york with every woman you meet cooing and awing of your heroic behavior to this deer? >> i'm sorry, could you say that last part again? >> let me shorten my questions. how are the women reacting to your action? because the women in my office think you're a bit of a hero. >> people are calling me a hero? >> yes. >> i'm sorry, i'm having a hard time hearing you. >> i said, colby, we obviously have a problem with your line. let us move on to ted robinson, ted, not such a happy story for you. you lost your home in these fires today. tell me what happened. >> we were watching facebook when we saw some news reports of the fire and we -- my wife and i met at our property about 2:00 or 3:00 that afternoon and began to gather belongings and it
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wasn't long afterwards the highway patrol came to our home and told us we had about ten minutes. we had no idea the fire was moving that quickly or that close to our home. we gathered all of the necessary belongings, everything you would expect to gather, medicines and papers and our cat malcolm and we moved to the north, and i lingered there at the tree line about a mile and a half from my home, and we watched the plumes of smoke as the fire was rolling over the neighborhood. every time we saw a jet black from of smoke we knew that was a home going up and we saw that happen right about where our neighborhood was and that's about when we felt like we could be sure we lost our home. we had been there for 22 years. >> and ted, i mean, we see these scenes every summer in america and so many stories like yours. to actually go through it, to see your family home going up in flames, to see the neighborhood
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i believe your wife lived since she was four years old, so many family and friends you know being so badly affected, what does it do to a community? >> it brings a community like ours very much together. we're a small enclave here in colorado and for a woman like my wife who was raised there, she's got a very special connection with the terrain, with the area, with the feel, with the place itself, and she experiences a loss as -- as severe as ours. all the trees are killed. the houses reduced to ashes. there's nothing left of anything that we had owned and she's experiencing this loss in a way that resembles the time when she lost her mom and her dad and that is how connected we -- we feel to the place in which we live here. so it's a difficult experience to go through. we are very, very blessed that we've got a good support structure and lots of family here and able to get our belongings out in time.
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>> well, i wish you and your family all the very best in rebuilding your lives after such an appalling thing to hit you and the community. i really do and thank you both very much indeed for joining me. >> thank you, piers. i'll return to the other big story, administration intelligence gathering. the agency's chief keith al alexander defending the massive surveillance programs. >> it's dozens of terrorist events that these have helped prevent. this is not us doing something under the covers. this is what we're doing on behalf of all of us for the good of this country. >> the nsa is, of course, under intention fires under edward snowd snowden. jeffrey tuben, welcome.
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ben ferguson, let me start with you. i haven't talked to you yet about snowden and the leaks. what is your view? >> i think he's not a hero and people try to turn him into that. we don't know what information he might have sold or leaked or come out with after this. so i do think he's a traitor and i think the fact he ran is proof of that. he said i didn't do anything wrong. if you didn't, why aren't you in the united states of america facing mute sisic? some of the information we do know certainly brings up issues with the fourth amendment and privacy and when the government tells me today as they did, we're on the same team, we're trying to help you. we know a government's abused their powers and i don't trust the government and i think we've seen over the last month how many different ways we've been let down by the government and shouldn't be trusting them because look at how. irs did things and how the
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justice department targeted journalists. they have gone outside the lines and i think that's something we have to look at. >> let's see what glen greenwald the reporter from the guardian who broke this story, what he told anderson cooper a little earlier this evening. >> if it were really my goal to do what people in washington are accusing me of, i could have just published that and what he was saying was that's something i choose not to do and would not do and let me just add that from the beginning of our interactions with mr. snowden he was assistant that he vetted these documents carefully, giving them to us and wanted us to exercise journal list judgment what should be published and what shouldn't. he didn't want indiscrime anytime documented dumping. he wanted to inform the people who the government was doing without in any way jeopardizing the lives of innocent people around the world and that's exactly what we have done -- >> i mean. >> -- hang on one second. >> jeffrey, your reaction?
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>> this 29-year-old high school drop out skrcrutinized these documents and decided they weren't a threat billions of dollars are spend and he decides what should be made public and what shouldn't be? i don't blame glen greenwald. he's a reporter doing his job, but i think snowden is discrediting himself over and over again. today he gave an interview to a newspaper in hong kong where he said, you know, the american government is tapping the computers and phones in hong kong and china. how does that help the american people? >> it may not -- >> to disclose that -- >> it may not help the american people. that doesn't mean it's not in the public interest for it to be revealed. should the government be secretly hacking if as what he claims is true into chinese computers? should the americans get all uptight about what the chinese
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are doing to their computers, if it turns out they are doing the same thing? >> we have a national security agency to do foreign intelligence in other countries. this is their job. in one respect it's not a huge surprise but to have someone from the inside confirm it, i think, you know, it's so far afield from his supposed concern about americans individual rights, which is very much a legitimate subject to discuss but to have someone like him breaking the law, which he clearly did, to bring that discussion to the floor is -- >> here is the -- here is the point i want to make about this which is i've been debating this for a few days. seems like the aspect of all this is what is he actually reveal revealing. putting aside the person he is, what did he actually disclose? i don't see anything at the moment which if i'm al qaeda or an enemy of the united states will be surprising. >> it's -- >> hang on. it's not that shocking the
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american intelligence agencies are looking at people's e-mails or phone calls or whatever. if he's not surprising to the enemy, the shocking aspect is the privacy aspect to american citizens -- >> may well be -- >> you -- >> after the ira scandal, the wrong types of people in those agencies are going to be misusing that information. >> piers, it's one thing if you're connecting dots with known terrorists, for example e-mailing or calling into the united states of america. that's where americans would support this program. it's the total blanket of communications of almost everything that americans have a problem with because we should not be treated like terrorist or the chinese. i think most americans, for example, they know that the nsa is going to be monitoring and trying to find out information about our adversaries. that's totally normal, and i don't think people have a problem with that because at the same time, most americans accept
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china or russia or iran or iraq where there may be people that don't like us will try to find out information about us, but when it's normal grandpa and grandpa's phone call on mother's day, that's a problem -- >> it is a good point. why should it be all encompassing and why can't the american people know? >> because of the technology they have, they need this enormous meta data as bash said, to find a needle in the hay stack you need to have the hay stack. that's the argument here. that's an appropriate argument to have but it's not one that is helped in any way by someone violating the law and disclosing what he decides -- >> if that's the only way it can get it out -- >> it's not the only way. >> it was a secret -- >> it was a secret but, you know, there are appropriate ways to do this. there are senators who are very
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interested in this subject. senato senators, these people have been bringing this to public attention. you know -- >> okay. >> i just don't think this is -- >> we don't know -- >> wait, wait, wait, hold your fire on the grill. we're taking a short break. we'll have more when we come back and i'll talk to you about a 72-year-old grandma that fought off a burglar with a gun. i'll talk about the right to bare arms in that instance. >> well, mr. perez, you have no idea how lucky you are to be able to walk away from my house. all business purchases.
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ferguson and jeffrey toobin. interesting today, peter king came out and said quite firmly the journalist involved from glen greenwald and others at the guardian and presumably other papers that published these revelations should be possibly be imprisoned themselves. jeffrey toobin? >> i think it's a terrible thought and idea and fortunately both attorney general holder and president obama said we don't want to personalize journalists for doing their job. the first ameantment -- >> already trying to do that -- >> after there was a big reaction. eric holder has not prosecuted any journalist -- >> he was trying quite hard to get to first base, wasn't he? >> he was trying to get information from journalist to prosecute the people -- >> but tell me this, jeffrey, why shouldn't -- there is a big scandal in britain involving journalists and phone hacking and breaking the law. what happened here and the
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guardian exposed it, what has happened here is somebody has willfully and self-confessingly broke the law. he's admitted there and the bee information out there. why shouldn't they also face the same potential charges as he has? >> because the first ameantment specifically refers to the freedom of the press. and it says the press is an interest that the united states government, the united states courts needs to defend, and we can get information from all sorts of sources and even if those people are breaking the law as long as we don't break the law, that's -- that's an appropriate way to gather news. >> ben ferguson, would you jail journalists over this? >> no, i wouldn't. do think, though, that there has to be integrity with journalism and i'm not sure this guy has a lot of that. what i mean by that is i do
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think you should at least give a heads up to if you're going to be revealing government secrets and let the government make their case, which a lot of organizations do do that hey, we're going to put this out there but you can tell us and make a case for one, maybe we should not have x, y or z in this article. i think this guy loves putting big scoops out there and doesn't care if it maybe puts people's lives at risk or people in the intel industry trying to protect us, what they do for a living, the secrets they keep for a living -- >> whoa, whoa they did hold back information. >> in theory. >> in fact. >> the supreme -- i mean, "the washington post," i know published only four of the 41 slides. >> right. >> nthey were given, which i think speaks to snowden's irresponsible -- >> snowden may not know what is
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sensitive -- >> right and "the washington post" behaved responsible. >> let's turn to another story. a 72-year-old grandmother who fired her .357 magnum revolver at a man allegedly trying to break into her orange county home, she said she was trying to defend herself and her 85-year-old husband. we got go bits of tape here. one is the 911 call involving january co jan cooper telling the man to leave and what she said at the press conference. listen to this. >> back up you [ bleep ]. >> mr. perez, you have no idea how lucky you were to have been able to walk away from my house. >> a bullet whistled across his ear apparently. >> if she adopts another child, i would be happy to go to christmas and thanksgiving at her house. what a bad grandma. she's protecting her house and a
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husband that's a world war ii veteran and in a wheelchair and she was able to deif he believed and protect when the police unfortunately weren't there yet. you know what? this is why our founding fathers -- >> ben ferguson, let me stop you right there because this is why i want to do this story when i knew that you were on tonight. i completely and utterly agree with you. this is exactly what i think the second amendment is actually about. it's about an elderly couple who had a handgun that was duly, legally registered for 27 years, an intruder breaks in, ignores a warning and she fire as shot and the man is arrested. turns out he's a serial burglar and intruder -- >> the founding father intended the second amendment to mean. >> this is an example how much the debate changed in this country. in 1968 when robert f kennedy was assassinated the reaction was the gun control act of 1968
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ban guns as much as possible. now the reaction is whenever somebody, as wayne la pierre says the only cure with a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with the gun. the idea more guns make us more safe is so deeply ingrained now but i think it's worth pointing out it a very different attitude than used to be. >> i agree. by the way, i completely agree the more guns, the less bad -- is none sense -- >> but -- >> the point about this story and in a nation that has 300 million guns in circulation, actually an elderly couple like this probably do need to have a handgun at home in case armed intruders come by because the likelihood is it may be -- that's a different argument to me than the one we have regularly about mass shootings and the rest of it with ar 15 assault rifles and high capacity magazines and so on. the reason i wanted to talk about this story is to make the point i think this kind of situation is exactly what the
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second amendment was intended for. >> and it goes back to the core of background checks and everything else. if you're a law-abiding citizen, you should have the right to protect and defend yourself and be able to go buy a weapon because the bad guys don't go buy them appropriately and they don't go through a background check, and they don't buy -- they don't care what kind of gun they get on the black market and many this is where it's proof yet again, if you have a family member, doesn't matter what age young or old and they have been prepared. she went to the range year after year with her husband. she knew how to shoot proofficially and proved it in this situation and she's alive and okay and unharmed because of that. >> make the point again, you can defend what she did in that situation, but also, have a completely different view about assault rifles, machine guns, high capacity magazines and background checks. that's nature of the sensible debate. thank you both very much indeed. >> thanks for having us. the woman that tried to stop the santa monica rampage killer
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first saw here, debra risked her life trying to stop the santa monica rampage killer. a neighbor rushed out of his house to help her. we're reuniting debra with that good samaritan. welcome, ladies, to you both. >> jerry, we haven't seen you yet. we had debra tell her story. what was going through your mind? you were inside your house. i believe your son walked outside and you heard gunfire. >> yes, i heard about six shots, and i really thought somebody was outside shooting my son, so i ran out onto the front porch, and saw what i now know as my neighbor. i thought it was an official looking guy in a swat uniform, and we made eye contact. he looked at me, and just about that time, debra and laura, i
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now know their names, cars pulled up at the corner, which is, you know, 45 feet maybe from -- from where i was standing and the gunman waved, told laura in the first car to pull over. he kind of waved her over and she did, and debra here -- >> did not. >> well, he used the assault rifle to motion her through, and i was just chantransfixed to th spot. it didn't dawn on me to leave. she hesitated. i saw her -- i saw you glance up at him and when she looked at him, he just fired rapidly three, four shots into her car. at that point, i actually did run into my house, not to run
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away but to grab the telephone and call 911. >> what was really surprising when we just had our reunion a few minutes ago, is that you thanked me for saving your life and i was thanking you for saving my life. i didn't realize that my car, by not listening to him and getting angry at him for waving the rifle around, i sped up and the attention came to me and off of you. so i wanted to thank you and ask piers to put us together so i can say thank you for getting me out of the car. nobody would get me out of the car but you and you said thank you for saving my life. his eyes were on me until you trashed your far in front of me. >> the thing between you, is both of you showed extraordinary courage under absolutely bad
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conditions. you helped her with the bullet holes. did you fear she was very seriously hurt? >> i wasn't afraid of the gunman, obviously, i went running back out there and he was still out there. debra's car had kind of crashed into my driveway from him shooting her, and as soon as he drove -- i'm on the phone with 911, and i went over and opened her car door as soon as he drove off. >> and i know you thought i was dead. >> and i really thought she was dead. i thought -- that was when i felt the fear is when i opened -- i thought i'm going to open this and she's going to have a head wound and what will i do? that's -- that was the first time i was fearful was when i opened her car door. >> and miraculous as we know, debra survived and is alive and well with us tonight. but you weren't stopping there,
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jerry, because you then saw a house on fire, ran in, got your garden hose and went and tried to put that out. bordering on superman here. >> i did. well, it was just pure instinct, piers, i did not -- it -- it was no conscious thought here. i don't really don't think i made sure that debra was okay. we got pressure on her wounds. i kind of turned her over to a neighbor and we went to get garden hoses because i knew -- i saw the father's car was in front of the home, and i thought for sure he was in there. we didn't know at the time, of course, that he was already deceased, but we thought, you know, by this time there were quite a few neighbors there around and we all kind of grabbed garden hoses and went across the street, and were trying, you know, just to keep the fire down. >> amazing and debra --
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>> so grateful because i was in the car. >> debra, when you saw jerry again for the first time tonight, i mean, you've obviously been through this extraordinary experience together where both of you could have lost your lives quite easily, what was that moment like for you when you met? >> we gave ooeeach other big hu. i recognized jerry right away, and she was the only one who would open my door because everyone else was afraid that he was going to come back, but he had actually gotten into laura's car. so it was quite a reunion and especially with both of us thanking each other for saving each other's lives. it was -- >> pretty amazing. >> it was festive. it was festive. >> jerry, let me ask you because i asked debra the other night about this and she said she had never given guns or gun control much thought before but this experience had certainly changed her mind and made her think how ridiculous it was somebody like this young man could get access to weapons like this.
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what is your view given what you've been through? >> well, piers, i actually grew up down south. i think when i was a kid, i was a member of the nra. i went to a camp where you get like little bars and i could shoot, you know, i earned all nine bars and an expert badge in the nra, believe that or not. i could have brought them. >> no, no, no, no, that's okay. >> if i had known we would talk about that. i think it's great if people need a gun to shoot, you know, food, but i don't see any reason why any individual in the united states or any country for that manner needs an assault rifle. i don't think there is any useful purpose. >> i -- >> in the military -- >> listen, debra and jerry, thank you both so much for joining me. i think it's great -- >> we -- >> debra, you want to say something? >> everyone -- >> i did want to say something, which is my husband and i
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started a foundation today and it is at www.fine line foundation -- this issue is a fine line, fine line if anybody wants to go to the site. we funded it and the mission is nonpartisan dedicated to decreasing criminal violence in the united states and we feel very passionate about this. >> good for you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you both very much and thank you both for the courage you showed that night. it was truly' more can. thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> great ladies. coming up next, facing the judge, aerial astro appears -- ariel castro faces the judge.
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facing the possible death penalty ariel castro pleading not guilty today for holding three young women prisoner for a decade. from cleveland is reporter ed gallete. welcome back.
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he had his head held down to the floor the entire time. what was your take on what happened in court today? >> it was interesting because not only did he not say a word, he walked in with his head down and hands cuffed and ankles cuffed as well but i noticed in looking at the videotape, something striking. the first step ariel castro took out of the holding cell outside the courtroom he was standing straight up. as soon as he saw the wall of cameras, there was a wall of cameras in the jury box ready to record this, as soon as castro saw that, the head went down like that and it never came back up. >> you've also managed to get exclusive footage of gina dejesus' mother and it could be quite significant. let's watch the video first. >> i don't even hate him. i forgave him. >> now the significant being that she is very forgiving there of ariel castro.
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could that play a part in him avoiding the death penalty in this case which may be the only unresolved thing left? >> well, it remains to be scene if the prosecutor or how much the prosecutor will take into account the feelings of the victims and the relatives. to set the scene again, this is moments after the three missing women were found alive and ariel castro was found alive. we went back and looked at raw tape. this is the mother of one of the victims walking away, i forgive him, god forgive him, god be with him. how could she say that after all those year sns the most important thing to gina's mom is gina is home alive. above all else, her daughter is back home and she's alive. >> again, thank you very much. go to ian freeman, he's a defense attorney. what is likely to happen here because the only charge that
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involves murder is, of course, this abortion that he forced one of the girls to go through allegedly. is this likely to succeed as a charge, do you think, if it comes to trial? >> good evening, piers and thanks for having me on. i'm sorry that this case even exists and i'm sorry that we even have to talk a case like this. we have 329 counts of a period of five years. what we expect next as stated in the opening conference, he'll charge for every day he can prove a crime. we can expect double the counts now and as far as the depth penalty, he has to look at the evidence and round table it with the group of prosecutors in his office. they may bring it. there is a couple things, today, i think were significant, which also helped to answer your question. the arraignment should have just been a very, kind of a quick and
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really nothing outstanding about it. we actually heard a statement today from mr. castro's attorney, and i thought it was a very smart statement. what he said was in essence, what i heard from his statement was that look, we have many cases that are going to be proven. we do not have the death penalty on there right now, and what i think he was implying was we would like a very quick and just resolution so it z not inflict greater harm on these ladies and the community. simplify that, don't bring the death penalty, there will be a plea, let's do life. >> yeah. >> so piers, moments later there was a statement that was released from the young ladies' attorneys very similar. so we heard a lot today about them, also, wanting a very quick resolution. >> so it may be that the deal is he avoids the death penalty, which is over a particular contentious part of the charging and in return, the ladies
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she searched the internet and found him. she joins me now. 9 years old, and your father, jose martinez, was murdered in 1996. the family's washington heights restaurant here in new york. what do you remember about that time, what happened? >> it was a happy time for me. 1986, i was told i lived in an area full of crime. but within all that crime and craziness, i never felt anything. the business was a major part of our life, because they were there every single day. so i remember them going to the business, and it was home. it was more of our home than the apartment. >> and everything changed when a group of these thugs came in, including santos, he was 16, and they just shot your father dead, took him out in the street and killed him. >> yes. yeah. >> when you realized what happened, what did you think?
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what did you feel? >> i first got the phone call, and i didn't believe -- not that i didn't believe it. my grandma picked up the phone, i was with a cousin of mine. it was a saturday night, music was playing. and we were watching television. i heard it, it was a little late already, so grandma said, we're going to put you to bed. i'm 9, i'm thinking adults, they'll fix whatever it is. and i'll see him tomorrow. i went to bed, i think i prayed. i slept in their bed. she put me in their bed, and i wake up, and i just hear screams from the living room, very big screams. a hoarse voice, and it was my mother's. i was going to open the door to go into the living room, but i decided to jump back into the bed. at that moment, my brother walks
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in and he tells me, you know, bad guys went into the business last night and your father was shot and he -- and he died. but he's in heaven now. so he's okay. i was silent. i turned my face to the left and i had tears and i held onto my teddy bears. >> i want to cut forward from that awful time for you to 2006. you suddenly decide i'm going to find the person that did this. i'm going to track him down. how did you do it? >> ten years later i tried to get information, when i got the nerve to go to the precinct. so 1996, i go to the precinct and i felt like, it's like a dead end. i was told -- i don't know exactly if the case was closed,
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i can't remember, but that the person ran away and there was no extradition, it just got complicated for me. i tried to maybe call like a prosecutor that i knew from back then. and i was like, what am i thinking? let that go. but i couldn't. in 2006, i bought a book with a friend, and we're trying to read these self help thing. the book said write down everything that bothers you. so i started just doing searches on line. when i realized things like myspace came up, i started looking for his name. i saved a bunch of pictures and i don't -- i didn't do anything with them. i just kept them. i think i felt busy doing something. >> what was the breakthrough moment? >> 2008, i found these background checks. i had the name of that person there, the murderer. i wasn't sure, but i kept looking at it -- >> online service which checks
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people's names, right? >> yes. i did a couple of other background checkks, but they have a lot of information, you can't found on that information. but it was strange, because that name has a variation, like a middle initial. and i thought wow, look at the h., it would be. but that's just too obvious. no. no. and then there was another one that also was a criminal that had a similar name. >> and eventually you began to piece it together and went to the police again? >> no, i just put that away. >> what was the moment you went to the police? >> november of 2012 -- well, first 2011 i wrote to a show and they didn't get back to me or something. november of 2012 i get a meeting to go to the 34th precinct, and they very nicely said we'll do anything to help you.
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>> and from the information you gave them, you got from the online checking -- >> that was in january of 2013 when they get the file and give it to me. i wanted it, i think my intention was to go get it, i'm going to solve it. not really. but i get the e-mail of one of the sergeants that was in, and i said, thank you very much. and he told me, if you have any other information, you can let us know. >> how quickly that the police found the guy? >> very quickly. very quickly. >> but all from the information you gave them? >> i guess. i don't think so, because i think they were looking, but they can't tell me. >> i want to tell you what ray kelly said about you. >> it's admirable what she did. obviously, she made a concerted effort, and it paid off. and we appreciate it. >> this is an amazing story, what you did for your father.
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a great picture of you and him there. you did him proud and found the man that killed him. congratulations. >> thank you. i wasn't prepared to see those pictures. >> you did him proud. >> thank you. >> thank you for coming in. that's all for us tonight. anderson cooper starts in a few moments. for all those who sleep too hot or too cool, for all those who sleep and struggle to sleep comfortably together, now there's a solution. introducing sleep number dualtemp,the revolutionary temperature-balancing layer with active air technology that works on any mattress, including yours.
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